Trope Talk: Magnificent Bastards

26 feb. 2021
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Ahh, magnificent bastards, the villainous archetype that's at least 50% charisma by volume. Let's talk about what makes a bastard truly magnificent, and what traits bar them from that rarified air of magnificence!
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  • So these guys are basically the definition of lawful evil

    Dead FøxDead FøxAcum 11 ore
  • underrated Charismaniac is vigo grimborn from dragons race to the edge

  • Fisk from Daredevil is a great example of a magnificent bastard, and the portrayal of mafias in mob movies quite often lines up with this trope too

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  • I like how azula from avatar, is constantly refered to as one of the best villains in animation and fits the magbast really well but it falls apart at the whole "press here for tantrum" bit. I feel like it would've been easy for the gang to fuck up her plans a little and mock her and she'd have the third act breakdown super early. That said, our protagonists aren't the sharpest shed in the bright box and in early avatar, she was always a step ahead simply because they didn't know what to expect. Case and point, azula is a great villain and avatar is amazing so watch it

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  • why did i read the title of this as "Magnificent Beards"

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  • would bill cipher be kinda like a magnifince basterd- idk im dumb

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  • 9:31 I laughed way too much about the caution sign.

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  • I think Grand Admiral Thrawn from Star Wars Rebels is a good example.

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  • hey I'm a bastard, idk if I'm glorious

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  • What Red was talking about with the issue of intelligence and straying into “magical genius” is a perfect encapsulation of the British detective show Death in Paradise. The Detective Inspector, no matter who he is because there have been a few, is absolutely magical genius even though he goes through his thought process at the end of the episode. It’s silly, it’s weird, it’s kind of dumb every now and then, but it’s a guilty pleasure of mine as it’s sort of a comfort food show for myself and my parents

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  • Thanos is definitely in this catagory.

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  • 9:45 is that Madara Uchiha?!

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  • Princess Azula

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    • No

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  • *Kick the dog moments* I guess my dad is one of these then

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  • So... the Magnificent Bastard is an “asshole”; but, depending on the circumstances, he’s not “that kind of asshole...”. He’s identifiable to the point that you might sympathize with how he became “that asshole”; but, he blurs the “line” of things that are “justifiable” in the pursuit of his goals... sometimes you might want to “be him”, and other times you want to “slap the $#@% out of him”. You can admit to yourself that you would only be slightly disappointed with the story if they end up on top in the end, but not as satisfied if the protagonists win in the end with a mutually acceptable end to his story as well. Half of the audience wants him dead for all the trouble he’s caused; but the other half would be upset if his goals were unmet when he died, and cheer when the protagonists avenged him by taking out whoever killed him... they are usually the most character developed by their storyline, and yet can still be irredeemable sons-a-bitches at the end... you can kill them off, but they better die in the most memorable way possible with no possible means of returning, or your whole audience is going to be waiting for them to show up again to shout, “I knew it!!!”. He’s the kind of bad guy that you root for in the movies... he’s just a Magnificent Bastard!

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  • Toffee is a great example of this.

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  • It is fun when if the magnificent bastard's villain status is up in the air, like Battletech's Hans Davion and Ulric Kerensky.

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  • There was a dbza reference in this episode. Who else saw it?

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  • Artimes fowl.

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  • Falcon and the Winter Soldier turned Zemo into a charismaniac

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  • For a real throwback magnificent bast-, er, bitch, check out Angelique from the 60s soap opera Dark Shadows. Her #1 motivation is Barnabas Collins - either screwing with him or just plain screwing him - and all her evil schemes pretty much revolve around him. She’ll utterly crush anyone who gets between her and Barnabas without a second thought (especially if they’re played by the actress who played Josette, meaning they’re likely a reincarnation), and she’s extremely selfish, but she’s capable of doing something that will help someone else as long as it doesn’t interfere with her plans. And she was frankly beautiful and sexy enough to jumpstart lots of boys watching the show into puberty, so there’s that. I think soap operas are prone to magnificent bastards, because there are always a number of long-lasting evil characters, but you have to make them interesting enough that the audience doesn’t just want them gone. (To revisit Dark Shadows, all the Trasks are utterly unlikable, and the audience is all too happy to cheer when they die horribly).

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  • I see david Xanatos, I click

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  • Anyone else surprised that she did not mention the movie of the same name which goes perfectly with the character concept at all

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  • The character they described is basically grand admiral thrawn in a nut shell

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  • Rommel you magnificent bastard I read your book-Gen. Patton

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  • I literally Pogged at the Kimblee scene

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  • never did i think id hear "garden variety bastard"

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  • "a man got to have a code" - Omar Little

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  • E

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  • I remember first watching House of Cards and having the same thoughts towards Frank Underwood. Although he was clearly a narcissistic, selfish, and evil bastard, these traits were brutally effective in the backstabbing, ruthless world of politics. When he pulled out his power moves throughout the series (which had devastating consequences for other characters) it never failed to both shock and impress me, which is why i consider him a top-tier magnificent bastard

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  • Hando ohnaka is one?

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  • loved the gargoyles. great show. and batman as a magnificent bastard is great too >.

    Jockster The MightyJockster The MightyAcum 10 Zile
  • *deep sigh* azula, renfred, cartaphilius, kimblee, loki, cu chullain,- *continues naming my entire favorite character list*

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  • "There is nothing less cool than someone desperately trying to convince you they are cool." on a totally unrelated note, look at how cool World Anvil is! arent they the coolest? just look at how cool they are you guys!

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  • I saw Xanatos on tbe thumbnail and clicked with the force of a thousand fiery suns.

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  • 0:29 "but consider: I am VERY sexy" works every time

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  • Another expertly crafted and delivered episode! I love what you are doing here!

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  • John Marcone, the Dresden Files.

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  • Titan from invicible

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  • Elias Bouchard. That's it, that's the comment.

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  • Man, Kimblee was the perfect example for Type-2. Loved that charismaniac from the moment he was introduced!

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  • You must obey the almighty GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Read the Holy Bible.

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  • I wonder how many dogs Lady Dimitrescu is gonna have to kick....

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  • The Chad of all these tho is Hansom Jack from borderlands 2 he is one that everyone loves and hates

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  • I know a recent one I read is Gentleman Johnny Marcone. He is a horrible crimelord.... but he in a urban fantasy fights to make sure the only people fucking with humans is humans and that no one touches children.... ever if they don't want to end up in a ditch

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  • Andrew Scott's Prof. Moriarty is my favorite example of this.

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  • Azula in atla season 3 is a great example of a Magnificent Bastard third act breakdown- you watch as this persona she's created of the utterly cool and confident warrior princess who almost singlehandedly conquered the Earth Kingdom falls away to reveal a teenager who's been utterly broken by the weight of expectations and the abandonment of the people close to her

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  • Magnificent Bastard - (def) Mayori Kurotsuchi, Bleach

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  • Hey is no one gonna talk about Frank Underwood from House of cards? He was one hell of a magnificent bastard

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  • Kind of crazy seeing a World Anvil sponsorship when their servers go belly-up every time Arcadum links his page on Stream.

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  • Ok I think this video kinda explains why I low-key love Manfred von Karma. Is he rude? Yes. Corrupt? Definitely. Evil? Most likely. But he takes his opponents seriously and accepts a loss when there is a loss (you know, when even his corruption can't help him win)

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  • Anybody else think that Azula's a magnificent basterd (at first)? She's definitely goal-driven like her older brother can be, yet more likely to stay detached. She's also the one manipulating others though (if you pay attention) you'll notice that she's 'just a hair out of place' until the Father Lord makes her Fire Lord and she goes crazy. In contrast, Zuko'd be too verbally explosive to be one, especially at first. Toph, Pakku and Jeong Jeong are basterdly in training Aang and in general (goal-oriented?).

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  • Kaz from six of crows is the perfect Magnificent Bastards

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  • So has anyone else got the vibe at the 2:45 mark that what red is discussing can easily apply to the series Sherlock, especially in the later seasons?

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  • I'm watching JoJo's and I love how the show is so incredibly over-the-top that Dio got 2 kick the dog moments in part 1: the literal one, and the one to show how thorough he was at snuffing out JoJo's happiness

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  • I don't know why, but most of this video had me thinking about Kokichi Oma from Danganronpa V3.

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  • 10:25 Kars becomes the ultimate life form Whatever year battle tendency takes place in: not colourised

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  • 9:50 I want that shirt

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  • Moriarty is a good example, a charismatic professor who's a perfect gentleman. He doesn't get flustered at all, until Sherlock finally obliterates his entire crime syndicate in one shot, but even then, he's a polite gentleman to Sherlock. Sherlock too is a charismaniac in his own way, with his near total lack of emotions, and flair for the dramatic. On one hand, he's a good guy who solves crime, on the other hand, he does it for himself and never tells anyone what he thinks until his dramatic reveal. They may be opposites, but they are respectful gentlemen to each other, and most of those they deal with. Side note, can we have an OSP Sherlock Holmes? The original from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

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  • Double Trouble is very much a magnificent bastard

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  • I cannot possibly stress enough how absolutely awful the word 'charismaniac' is.

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  • How would you write a character, or faction from the Warhammer 40k universe?

    Clayton SumpterClayton SumpterAcum 19 Zile
  • All I can think of is Gilgamesh from Fate. I love that bastard

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  • "I want REVENGE!" "We have revenge at home."

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  • Hey remember handsome Jack

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  • Doom.

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  • The Legacy of Kain series may have the highest concentration of magnificent bastards outside of the mystery genre. Pretty much any significant character that you aren't currently controlling is one. Also Havelock Vetinari is the perfect "thank the gods he's on our side" charismaniac.

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  • I think Grand Admiral Thrawn is probably my favorite charismaniac of all time

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  • Would handsome Jack fit into this?

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  • toffee from star vs the forces of evil is a good example of a magnificent bastard because of how charming he is

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    • Toffee was the best villain of star since eclipsa was never a villain. Favourite character.

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  • I think a good example of the kick the dog moment polarities would be Dio and Kars. Dio, although I like his charismatic personality, is truly evil, killing several animals throughout the series. However Kars literally has an entire scene dedicated to him killing drunk drivers to save a dog. It shoes that while he is evil and motivated by selfish reasons, he has an appreciation for animals, though to what extent I'm still not sure.

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  • So basically....Loki?

    Stella AdlerStella AdlerAcum 20 Zile
  • Proceeds to use charismaniac instead of magnificent bastards 1 second later: magnificent bastards Me: How many other lies have I been told by the council.

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  • The "logical leaps" parts is why I couldn't unironically get into death note. even though they walk you through the deductions, the logic always felt paper thin, and they just had to reach the conclusions to get closer to solving the mystery. Which pushed it straight into good old cheesy camp for me. To this day I can't tell how many people enjoy it ironically as opposed to unironically. Because potato chips are also a very good reason.

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  • Gentleman John Marconi

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  • Stop making videos about me.

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  • Crowley is one magnificent bastard

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  • I don't know, I'm thinking of the boys, where they make it hard to root for anybody. Is that a grimdark thing?

    David BallardDavid BallardAcum 21 o Zi
  • Lol John Walker just didnn't have the charisma for me. He did a great job lookin like every cop thats kept me afraid after the first few sentances lol.

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  • Is DOOM a charismaniac?

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    • Doctor Doom? I don't think so.

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  • Would 100% read their book.

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  • in one piece they introduce some one kicking a dog trowing a grand ma out of the window saying you will forgive me cause I am beautifull and you know what she is forgive by the reader because she is awsome she is the worst but cant help it we love her I dont think she as redeming quallity exept being fun

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  • or you like accidentally created a likable villain because of queer coding (AHEM DISNEY)

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  • anyone else sitting here thinking of elias bouchard?

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  • I'm petitioning to have this trope renamed after Giancarlo Esposito.

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  • Do knight of cerberus next!

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  • Soooo... Light Yagami?

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  • "Nothing makes a villain look more incompetent than actively sabotaging their own plans for personal reasons" ...Battle of Endor, anyone?

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  • Vergil

  • "Godspeed, you magnificent bastard." -Soldier, TF2.

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  • Roswaal from Re:Zero is probably my favorite magnificent bastard. In his case, he is goal driven. The catch is, that he is actually balanced between goal and code driven, but over a great period of time, he gradually shifted his code to be aligned with his goal. This is his weakness: Over hundreds of years, he began to despair, and as an effort to protect himself from breakdown, gradually convinced himself of codes that would justify his efforts to date, and help him stay focused moving forward. His codes gradually conceded to his goals, so slowly that he was himself unaware of the change and had not truly reflected on it. The trick to taking him down is to identify his original code, why it had changed, and explain that his former weakness, which he tried so hard to avoid, was no weakness at all: Creating an internal division of his own beliefs, producing hesitation. This opens an opportunity for a bet to be made upon which you can stake the case for him to pursue his original code alongside you: Put an end to his suffering and trust that you can find a way to do it better. The resolution of this sees an ultimatum: You will produce 100% results, no missteps, or he will burn everything to the ground. He will do it your way, but only if your way has no errors. That is the cost of him accepting his way was wrong. He will accept no less than that for all he has suffered through to get this far to have been wrong. His greatest weakness is that he cannot feel he has wasted 400 years, it would be too much to bare. So only if you can follow a different path to perfection, will he follow you. Otherwise, he will simply take you with him, because if his code was wrong, and your code is wrong, then damn it all. Though he never experiences a complete 180 degree shift, he does go from a bastard to a crafty ally overall, despite the tension and mistrust that always lingers as his way of doing things is often not acceptable to those he aids after his initial persona shift. Tappei Nagatsuki is probably my favorite character writer, in everything he's been involved in, because even side characters get this kind of treatment (Roswaal himself is mostly a side character.)

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  • "Rather than putting the pieces together or deducting something in a way the audience can follow, they're just magically right." So... the entirety of Sherlock and Moriarty's characters in the Cumberbatch series?

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  • Handsome Jack is my favorite. He's an asshole, but he's funny with it

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  • This is essentially En from Dorohedoro, he is just a mafia dad with questionable methods.

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  • So basically they are lawful evil? Gotcha

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  • Nice job; I’d love to hear your thoughts on INCOMPETENT charismaniacs like WILE E COYOTE, or PROFESSOR FATE...are these particular tropes outdated?

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  • I was curious if Grand Admiral Thrawn would have been mentioned

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  • zanatos is super cool

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