Trope Talk: Tragedy

29 ian. 2021
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  • By popular demand, the "Monologuing Is Not A Victimless Crime" quote is now on our Redbubble! (and it hits different on a mask, just saying 👀) www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/69582709 -R

    Overly Sarcastic ProductionsOverly Sarcastic ProductionsAcum 3 luni
    • Always an entertaining thriller comedy,

      prasanna VKprasanna VKAcum 2 luni
    • Red: I was wondering if we can get any videos discussing critical literary lenses - e.g., feminism, post-colonialism, marxism, etc? and maybe some good stories that represent those ideas I took a Women's Literature class and I loved it. We discussed Selah Saterstrom, Edwidge Danticat, Edith Wharton, Harriet Jacobs, Zora Neale Hurston, etc. Honestly, I cried at some of the stories and it made me feel intellectual and emotional at the same time. So it might be a cool idea

      Abraham El-GothamyAbraham El-GothamyAcum 3 luni
    • @Matthew St. Cyr Indeed.

      Jeremy BarrettJeremy BarrettAcum 3 luni
    • @Jeremy Barrett I never heard of that version, probably because every version I read had the sphinx thing happen before all the tragedy stuff.

      Matthew St. CyrMatthew St. CyrAcum 3 luni
    • @Matthew St. Cyr Ah that is one version. See what walks on two legs in the morning like a man,on four like a beast in the afternoon and then on 3 in the evening is Oedipus himself. A man before he'd laid with his mother,a beast when he crawled on all fours with her and on three after he gouged out his eyes in horror. Always liked that version better for the symbolism.

      Jeremy BarrettJeremy BarrettAcum 3 luni
  • No one is comenting on the brilliant comentary and roasting of edephus and it makes me angry.

    oscar alonsooscar alonsoAcum o Zi
  • this is why tragedy works so well with prequels

    oldcowbboldcowbbAcum o Zi
  • I think Breaking Bad is probably the best modern tradegy.

    バンジョベンジバンジョベンジAcum 2 Zile
  • 9:54 You mean that time he killed Ophelia's father didn't? Dude killed a person who as far as we know might be innocent and might not even know what Claudius did, because he moved a little behind a curtain. And I call BS on the idea that he thought it might be Claudius behind the curtain. Hamlet had just staged a scenario that showed Claudius that Hamlet knows what he did. The idea that Hamlet would think Claudius is behind the curtain is moronic at best. I don't like Hamlet very much if you couldn't tell.

    Leo The Background SheepLeo The Background SheepAcum 2 Zile
  • A great example of a tragic opera is la Boheme. It's not a secret Mimi's going to die EVERYONE knows it's the opera where Mimi dies at the end but the whole time you're semi rooting for a miracle ending where everyone is happy and alive for some reason. It's a nice take on the theme of hope. While important hope can also be like a time bomb, the harder you hold onto it the more likely it'll blow up in your face. It's a classic and also really long so I suggest intermissions or snack breaks if you're going to watch it.

    A HA HAcum 5 Zile
  • What about the video game Nier Replicant?

    Mark DiBuoMark DiBuoAcum 6 Zile
  • My favorite tragedy (if such a thing is possible) is the film Interstella 5555. In the “Something About Us” sequence, we see Shep is dying. He has already lost everything important to him: his ship, his favorite band and Stella. But now, that he finally regained some of those things back, he’s dying. The last lines of the song really hit hard when you realize he died: “I want you more than anything in my life. I need you more than anything in my life. I’ll miss you more than anyone in my life. I’ve loved you more than anyone in my life.”

    GrimSisterGrimSisterAcum 7 Zile
  • its kinda niche, but i think my favourite modern tragedies are the stories told by the band the mechanisms. they draw a lot from classical legends and the like, so it's all there! The band themselves functions as a sort of greek chorus, though how much thats true is pretty variable. as a quick example, there's Ulysses Dies At Dawn. The title is literally the opening words, and guess what the hell happens to him? The story takes place over a single night, with a bunch of thugs (aka classical greek figures) beating the shit out of Ulysses to gain access to a vault. They sorta monologue abt their own stories as they do so, which pads the runtime a lot. Really its a BUNCH of tragedies bundled together in a trench-coat. The fatal flaws are interesting. they include: heracles's blindness to his father's cruelty and confidence in his own power, oedipus's ambition and stubbornness, and orpheus's blind love for his wife that goes beyond the point of reason. its a really good album and id recommend the mechs if you love tragedy.

    BattyRaeBattyRaeAcum 12 Zile
  • One small note for an otherwise incredible video - Greek tragic heroes typically had flaws that were considered universally bad and possession of them means inevitable downfall. The Ancient Greeks were not really supposed to empathise with the heroes the way modern and Shakespearean tragedies do. Part of it was that the tragedies were well known stories that the audiences were already familiar with, repackaged in some way. Part of it was that their high status was meant to put them on a pedastal. 1) Even the most powerful of humans can be struck down. 2) You are not like them. Which is good. Do not try to be like them, you can't, and even if you could, it would end poorly. 3) Learn from their flaws and mistakes.

    Ahmed Al AwadhiAhmed Al AwadhiAcum 14 Zile
  • Good position: A promising Jedi Fatal flaw: High ground Reversal of fortune: Losing high ground Things go downhill: Try to go uphill Denouement: Heavy life support

    Toan DuongToan DuongAcum 15 Zile
  • Sooo... the chorus was just Ye Olde Riffing?

    Splitjaw JanitorSplitjaw JanitorAcum 16 Zile
  • "Its like if the dick boss shot the gay best friend" Me: *has been headcanoning that Mercutio is Romeos gay best friend who's actually so angry cuz hes jealous for years* You have no idea

    FangsabreFangsabreAcum 17 Zile
  • Ohh I see so Thanos is in a tragedy got it!

    ssuo benssuo benAcum 17 Zile
  • And here I am slowly waiting for the inevitable day they release Riddle: The Tragedy. A tale of the rise and fall of Lord Voldemort which would (or could depending on the talent working on it) be absolutely amazing and could slam the box office as a movie.

    William BeasleyWilliam BeasleyAcum 18 Zile
  • This is all very interesting buy why isn't your bookshelf touching the wall

    Beary-BooBeary-BooAcum 19 Zile
  • American Sniper Rogue One Black Hawk Down (?) The Amazing Spider-Man (terribly)

    Markus FuryMarkus FuryAcum 19 Zile
  • I’m planning to make a tragedy play out of ragnorok

    RookoftheRookityRookRookoftheRookityRookAcum 20 Zile
  • I was there in Denver when they did the TANTALUS FESTIVAL, a performance of these great plays over the course of a weekend... It was legendary.

    Kenny HaganKenny HaganAcum 21 o Zi
  • yes kung fu panda 2

    Cole GroomsCole GroomsAcum 21 o Zi
  • Oh shit, the practice of addressing the audience about future events is just like when a movie says "you're probably wondering how I got into this situation"

    Lucy ArduinoLucy ArduinoAcum 24 Zile
  • I'm not familiar with classics but there is this one tragedy, "requiem for dream" that hit me so hard I couldn't find any motivation for anything for a while.

    sam smithsam smithAcum 24 Zile
  • So if I take the opening really reductivley, pathologic 1&2 are both Greek tragedies right?

    NovasaolNovasaolAcum lună
    • I mean you've got the tragedians and the executors as the chorus, the player themselves as the audience, and the character/cast as the cast?

      NovasaolNovasaolAcum lună
  • >I have videos about doing it Greek style; This is going to be a good video on tragedy as opposed to “bad things happening”. Will they do the low forcibly brought high against their will by fate (with turning)?

    Samuel RussellSamuel RussellAcum lună
  • Tragic

    Patrick RichardsonPatrick RichardsonAcum lună
  • 18:00 In the words of a character from "The Simpsons"; "It's like watching a monkey swallow a hand grenade!"

    Just Some Jersey Devil With Internet AccessJust Some Jersey Devil With Internet AccessAcum lună
  • Holy shit bugs is a trickster deity

    zoey i guesszoey i guessAcum lună
  • Turn their strengths into weaknesses and make it a story

    Imsocliche OopsImsocliche OopsAcum lună
  • IS RANGO A GREEK TRAGEDY?!? But like if a tragedy at the end turns around and becomes good at the end.

    jason kimballjason kimballAcum lună
  • I now want to see a rom-com where the asshole boss shoots the gay best friend.

    Justin WahlneJustin WahlneAcum lună
  • Kullervo anyone?

    RokkaRokkaAcum lună
  • I am starting to realize why I dislike early 1900s thriller and mystery movies...the writers based them on the layout of Greek Tragedies rather than what we today think of as thrillers and mysteries. I had this massive collection of horror movies from the 1930s-1950s, mostly in the former, and all too often it was a case of a small cast, the audience knows who the killer is the entire time but it stills plays out as a mystery that the cast is trying to solve...so waiting for the characters on screen to play catch up with the audience. As a note these weren't like slasher villains, no the story treated these as a genuine mystery story with the one exception that we the audience saw who the killer was while they were killing. So those scenes where the detective is trying to put clues together and everyone is gathered in the parlor, has zero mystery for the audience.

    TheRhuenTheRhuenAcum lună
  • Not gonna lie, the existence of the Greek chorus in a play is the ancient equivalent of a reaction video before the 21st century.

    Raven BryantRaven BryantAcum lună
  • Thinking about it, is The Wolf of Wall Street a tragedy? The main protagonist is brought down by his own fatal flaw, half the movie is about how much he and other people get destroyed in one way or another by his actions, the ending is a resounding bad one for the perspective, and it’s all justice served from the average view.

    Mettaton’s AgentMettaton’s AgentAcum lună
  • As soon as she said Kung Fu Panda 2 I was like: YES! I'M NOT THE ONLY CRAZY ONE HERE!

    Arctic LemurArctic LemurAcum lună
  • didn't they try to ban death of a salesman for being commie propaganda?

    Sean BirtwistleSean BirtwistleAcum lună
  • I think another element to a good tragedy is how close the characters get to a happy ending without getting it. Juliet's plan to fake her death was a good solid plan, and it might have worked had the messenger ridden slightly faster. Hamlet could have glanced behind the curtain to see who was there. Penny could have taken the relic through the portal to Vacuo, or alternatively, Ruby could have asked Ambrosius to make the portals Cinder-proof, or hell, even asked Jinn what Salem's plan for Atlas was. (Okay, that last one's still fresh in my mind, so yeah.) It's all about how close we can get to everything working out and have it still not.

    Shawn RavenfireShawn RavenfireAcum lună
  • Have you ever heard the tragedy of Fëanor the wise? I thought not, it’s a story the Ñoldor wouldn’t have told you...

    Celt of Canaan EsurixCelt of Canaan EsurixAcum lună
  • Shakespearean or Western tragedy is not a natural successor to the Greek tragedy, it is a completely different animal. For one thing in Greek tragedy the hero is a victim of situation, and is unable to leave the situation due to their fatal flaw. The tragedy in Oedipus Rex begins with his birth and the prophecy, then crystalizes when he kills his (unknown to him) biological father during a fight in a crossroads. Now the fight happens due to Oedipus having the fatal flaw of stubbornness. Oedipus' stubbornness continues to prevent him from leaving the trajectory of the tragedy. The Western tragic hero is Faust. Yes he does have a tragic flaw, desire for knowledge. However he is not a victim of circumstance. Instead Faust seeks out Mephistopheles. Faust then signs the contract that sets him on the trajectory for tragedy.

    Ronald PRonald PAcum lună
  • I can't believe Death Note didn't come up at all!!

    Charles LononCharles LononAcum lună
  • Trope talk: walking Characters often need to get place to place in their stories, most famously in lord of the rings. Walking makes for a great way to frame character dialogue and strengthen the group's dynamics while still carrying forward with the story by keeping them on their way to the goal of their quest

    MaxOfFewTradesMaxOfFewTradesAcum lună
  • Just uh... gonna drop a quick subscription... there we go.

    No Zer-0No Zer-0Acum lună
  • 8:13 Holy shit. brb imma write that movie.

    CheesecakeLasagnaCheesecakeLasagnaAcum lună
  • Ya'll should play Elsinore. It's a Groundhog Day x Hamlet video game where you play as Ophelia trying to prevent her death and the doom of the kingdom, in whatever means you can find. Clues and actions are in the interactions of the many characters you join in or watch from afar. The best thing for me is that it puts Ophelia in a much more significant role and character than the original version. Also, the dynamics of other characters along with others is pretty deep once you connect the dots.

    CheesecakeLasagnaCheesecakeLasagnaAcum lună
  • Dang now I kinda want a short movie that's just Shakespeare stories with the characters switched around.

    GippyHappyGippyHappyAcum lună
  • Hmm...so with this video in mind...Fate/Zero contains two concurrent tragedies that don't really interact all that much. We have Kiritsugu Emiya and Kariya Matou as our tragic protagonists, and the whole show becomes a tragedy in hindsight or with prior knowledge of Fate/stay night. So, my thoughts about it in order: 1) Starting position: Both are Masters in the Holy Grail War, which is a big opportunity. Kiritsugu has a loving wife and daughter, as well as partner he works extremely well with, and an extremely powerful Servant in Saber. Good position. Kariya...scrapes his way into being a Master and summons a powerful, but difficult to control, Servant in Berserker at the cost of rapidly declining health. Not a great start already. 2) Fatal Flaw: Kiritsugu's is his cold pragmatism. His entire philosophy is "sacrifice the few to save the many". He clashes frequently with the idealistic and heroic Saber over this. Kariya's is obsession. While he entered the Holy Grail War to save Sakura and reunite her with her mother and sister, his focus turns to getting revenge on Sakura's father Tokiomi. 3) Reversal of Fortune: For Kiritsugu, it'd be learning the Grail is corrupted and having to choose between ever seeing his daughter again and essentially mass genocide. For Kariya, it was being manipulated by Kirei into being framed for Tokiomi's death 4) Things go downhill: Kiritusgu compels Saber to destroy the Holy Grail and sacrifices everything he had left for the sake of humanity's survival. Sakura's mother, Aoi, comes across Kariya with Tokiomi's body, and he chokes her near to death, causing permanent brain damage. Both end up destroying everything they were fighting for. 5) Catharsis: Really only in Kariya's case. After losing Berserker to Saber, he stumbles back home and dies, while Sakura looks on. The only tiny hope she had of going back to her birth family is gone. 6) Collateral Damage: This is Kiritsugu's end. Destroying the Grail caused a huge fire to break out, which wrecks the city and causes a massive death toll. Kiritsugu ends up as a shell of the man he was at the beginning, Sakura's sister Rin has lost both of her parents and is now (unknowingly) in the custody of the man who killed her father, and Kiritsugu's daughter will never see him again, only to be told he abandoned her. Starting the Fate series at this point, these things don't come across immediately. But rewatching it, especially with knowledge of Stay Night, makes it apparent. We know that the Fourth Holy Grail War caused a huge fire since that's essential to Shirou's character. Rin and Sakura are estranged, and only get the chance to start to work on their shattered relationship in the final route of the game. All three routes show the Grail's corruption. So going back to Fate/Zero, we know Kiritsugu and Kariya are desperately reaching for impossible goals, only to fail so badly in ways they never could have imagined. Both went in with noble goals only to unwillingly achieve the complete and utter opposite. Kiritsugu wished for humanity's salvation and ended up killing 500 innocent civilians. Kariya wanted to reunite a family, and instead contributed to nearly destroying it.

    jedimasterpickle3jedimasterpickle3Acum lună
  • Ah yes, the kings of tragedy, Lord Shen and Lord Vader

    Sarah NicoleSarah NicoleAcum lună
  • So what you’re saying is that Romeo and Juliet is the Madoka Mágica of Elizabethan Romance.

    ShoyrenShoyrenAcum lună
  • I always thought of Oedipus fateful as being his desire to know, his unending quest for truth, the way he places knowing above all else But stubbornness, that changes everything It also shows how easy it is to have differing interpretations of the same text because ultimately the outcome of his fatal flaw is the same, but the difference is on what is the fatal flaw. Both work but have very different consequences for the meaning of the text

    Elvina ChidleyElvina ChidleyAcum lună
  • And now I want Red to play Nehrim and analyse the crap out of it!😱

    Illien GaleneIllien GaleneAcum lună
  • I do think that Antigone is a rare case of a double tragedy : Antigone AND Creon lose in the play (her life and fiancé/his family) due to their common hamartia : selfish pride Taking care of the dead was a pretty big deal in ancient greek, whatever they've done in their lives (like Sisyphus, who litterally came back to organise his own funerals with the gods agreement), so that would make sense that Creon was as unreasonable as Antigone (I don't know if this is very clear, I'm french and english is kinda hard sometimes T-T)

    KlerviaKlerviaAcum lună
  • Very late so not sure if anyone will see this, but Eminem’s Stan is a wonderful example of modern tragedy. Stan is by now means in a position of power, but he has a girlfriend, a little brother he cares about, and a daughter on the way. His obsession with Eminem is his tragic flaw, driving him mad as his parasocial relationship with his idol isn’t reciprocated, to the point where Stan ends up killing his girlfriend and unborn child and traumatizing his little brother. At the end we even get a hit of dramatic irony as Eminem finally acknowledges Stan only to find that he’s already dead.

    The little red haired girl from across the streetThe little red haired girl from across the streetAcum lună
  • Is ancient comedy up next?

    Liam KeatingLiam KeatingAcum lună
  • Has my life turned into a Greek tragedy? Has many people's in this pandemic? I'm probably being overdramatic.

    Madison MyersMadison MyersAcum lună
  • Too bad Shakespeare didn't write a play about Fortinbras, and how he won a war with Poland and became the new King of Denmark. Sweet!

    Pacifico StudiosPacifico StudiosAcum lună
  • "trickster-deity Bugs Bunny" - 1000% yes Also, would love to see produced comedy of swapping Hamlet and Othello.

    Sam ChafinSam ChafinAcum lună
  • I can only imagine the show that made European playwrights realize they needed to clue the audience in more, likely prompted by an actor or playwright just losing it at some schmuck asking too many questions and explaining it all in detail right from the stage, and then that kinda stuck

    vanDaalstadvanDaalstadAcum lună
  • Red: "... but damn if it doesn't tie up all those loose ends into a nice little bow - which is coincidentally, also what it did to Oedipus's family tree." Me: *+literal spit-take+* RED!

    Elizabeth HollandElizabeth HollandAcum lună
  • Really interesting video! It's neat to see this breakdown of the ingredients that make a tragedy.

    NoahOfTheArcNoahOfTheArcAcum lună
  • In English class we're reading Romeo and Juliet. I play Mercutio and next Monday we start act 3. Guess I'll die

    it meit meAcum lună
  • Tragic flaw: you say “omniscient” weird.

    J MaceJ MaceAcum lună
  • Imagine being the OTHER Greek playwrights finding out that none of their plays survived but the Incest Trilogy is what made it.

    J MaceJ MaceAcum lună
  • I really really love all your videos but can you please change your music, I have adhd and it’s so hard to not just listen to the music and then I have to keep going back :-(

    CatherineCatherineAcum 2 luni
  • her "murder eyes are bigger than her murder stomach" great line.

    Samuel BerrySamuel BerryAcum 2 luni
  • Great video

    George KourisGeorge KourisAcum 2 luni
  • The Great Gatsby is a perfect example of a tragedy.

    Justjust55Justjust55Acum 2 luni
  • I now understand why Shakespeare was a good storyteller.

    Dylan McNabDylan McNabAcum 2 luni
  • Rome didn't write tragedies but man was it one

    Russ OlsonRuss OlsonAcum 2 luni
  • Oh man I think I actually found something else I felt like subscribing to. Maybe I need to watch more youtube or maybe I'm just too picky about video essays.

    Vincent fryeVincent fryeAcum 2 luni
  • I have finally gotten around to watching this more than a month later after constantly forgetting to do so, and I must echo the sentiment that I would be all for seeing something like 8:15, if only so the world is spared another terrible rom-com. Also, thanks for making a point that _Romeo & Juliet_ is foremost a tragedy than anything else. It still bothers me a lot how many people and how much society sees their relationship as actually romantic.

    The DamnedThe DamnedAcum 2 luni
  • There is this short horror story that I think is more a tragedy. Man loves woman, woman tells man to never touch the ribbon around her neck, they live happily for some time, but then one day, his curiosity gets the better of him. He removes the ribbon and her head falls off. Yeah, his love was a ghost or zombie or whatever, which may be scary in certain lights, but it is more a tragedy because his curiosity cost him the love of his life and his love her life.

    WildLightsStudioWildLightsStudioAcum 2 luni
  • Othello is a glorious psychological thriller from the perspective of Iago, who is the best character in the play, dont at me

    Evolved CopperEvolved CopperAcum 2 luni
  • But have you ever watched an opera about Italian-Americans in a casino trying to get a stripper and normie chick switch places because the stripper’s really nice and also mafia?

    Doctor Death DefyingDoctor Death DefyingAcum 2 luni
  • You know, your talk about tragedies dread factor is REALLY applicable to Wanda Maximoffs backstory episode from WandaVision.

    Silver StarSilver StarAcum 2 luni
  • *whats the background music in every trope talk video called?*

    sir andrew aguecheeksir andrew aguecheekAcum 2 luni
  • I thought Angel Beats was tragic but now I don't know anymore

    Brandon RezaBrandon RezaAcum 2 luni
  • I... I love this channel. 😭

    Sarah GravesSarah GravesAcum 2 luni
  • fhrowback to doing antigonick in highschool drama, being in our 3 person chorus and yelling at Kreon at the end was very cathartic. I was taught how to tie a noose for that and was told to never use that skill.

    MishiMashiMishiMashiAcum 2 luni
  • I absolutely love how Red just straight up reverse to Bugs Bunny as Trikster Deitie, because when you think about it it really does describe him perfectly.

    Nathan WilsonNathan WilsonAcum 2 luni
  • Ah, yes. the endless tragedy of Dr. Doofenshmirtz

    Notta ReelnameNotta ReelnameAcum 2 luni
  • Honestly 90% of musicals are considered tragedies by someone's viewpoint(excluding most comedies).

    SmolMouseChildSmolMouseChildAcum 2 luni
  • Will you do a Trope Talk about the 'Rag-tag bunch of misfits' - trope? It should fit well with the five man band

    Raffael W.Raffael W.Acum 2 luni
  • It's like you were given the prompt "Explain why Hadestown is so good without mentioning Hadestown. "

    Coffee and SarcasmCoffee and SarcasmAcum 2 luni
  • Consider: UHF, by Weird Al, but from the perspective of the villain RJ Fletcher. Everything that goes wrong for him is his own fault resulting from his flaw: the constant need to be a jerk. You could call it karma, but calling it a tragedy is more fun :).

    Lady TalksalotLady TalksalotAcum 2 luni
  • Shakespeare. good at his job - that is to say, leaving the audience grumpy and dissatisfied and wondering why they paid all that money to go see this stuff and what they're doing with their life... I didn't think Kung Fu Panda 2 would get involved in this... but I have to say... well played....

    Joyful SorrowJoyful SorrowAcum 2 luni
  • So i have a idea for a new movie, totally original idea, not inspired by a single thing The mean boss shoots the gay best friend a quarter of the way through the movie, and our romcom protagonist goes full john wick

    charl Xcharl XAcum 2 luni
  • I had a Pathfinder character following a tragic storyline. When he died, the dm wanted to res him. Nope nope nope. Kamikazeing the problems he caused was the best end he was going to get :D

    deadlypandaghostdeadlypandaghostAcum 2 luni
  • Sooner or later we'll need a trope talk about Hate Sinks.

    Rohan ZenerRohan ZenerAcum 2 luni
  • you have the amazing power of making me very interested in whatever you talk about

    yarnyarnAcum 2 luni
  • In my theatre class, we learned that Melpomene (she who sings and dances) was the goddess of tragedies but before she actually took on the title as goddess of choir and song. We don’t know much about Melpomene the muse but she was depicted in a lot of paintings along side Dionysus, so that may be the reason tragic plays were sung in choir and many used the Melpomene mask of tragedy.

    Kari HerrejonKari HerrejonAcum 2 luni
  • Naïve Me: "This anime feels a lot less like an anime and a lot more like a shakespearean tragedy. But like, without the tragedy." Future me looming over past me: "So you uh... picked up on that tone didja?" "...yeah..." "But you didn't think it was actually going to be a tragedy." "... ... ... -well I was hopi-" "WELL YOU WERE WRONG."

    coloraddictioncoloraddictionAcum 2 luni
  • I'll always find those prequel jabs quite jarring and just flatly wrong

    KatakeshKatakeshAcum 2 luni
  • Is the princess kaguya movie a tragedy? It feels like so

    lfdoidaolfdoidaoAcum 2 luni
  • Is... is John wick a tragedy.... especially with the end of movie 2? And 3?

    Jordan KalmovJordan KalmovAcum 2 luni
  • "Which is coincidently also what it did to eudipusses family tree." BRA MY I EJECTED MY CHOCY MILK THROUGH MY NOSE

    James MortimerJames MortimerAcum 2 luni
  • red: tragedy is less about the character trait and more about the circumstances that turn that trait into a fatal flaw me: *aggressively taking notes*

    yerbhawyerbhawAcum 2 luni
  • Red: The comic relief dies. That'd be like if the dickhead boss shot the gay best friend. Me: So you agree? Mercutio is gay and in love with Romeo?

    Luke AustinLuke AustinAcum 2 luni
  • Favorite modern tragedy is the Haunting of Hill House and Bly Manor on Netflix. It's fucking amazing oml

    Pamber 13Pamber 13Acum 2 luni
  • For a "this character's backstory is a tragedy", The Untamed (and its source material) have a main character who is fresh off the heels of his tragic backstory, having just been _summoned from the grave._ We see some interactions between him and those who used to be His People before the first flashback, and as things progress we learn more and more about how a kid with such potential ended up literally thrown to the dogs for the choices he made then and, given the chance, would probably make again. Classic tragedy.

    TreegonaTreegonaAcum 2 luni
  • My favorite aspect of the tragedy in Lord Shen's story is that the prophecy is _not_ "A panda will kill you," but is in fact "A panda will foil your plans of conquest." Shen could have easily thwarted his prophecy if he wasn't so devoted to his ambitions of taking over China.

    Postmodern GuavaPostmodern GuavaAcum 2 luni
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