Miscellaneous Myths: The Zodiac

27 nov. 2020
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Thanks to longtime patron Volt for requesting this topic!
We know their names! We know their symbols! We know there's a truly staggering number of websites dedicated to their stereotypical personality traits! But what do we know about their stories? Let's discuss!
FUN FACT I GLOSSED OVER IN THE VIDEO: like I said, it's REALLY hard to determine when these constellations entered Greece. Most people set the date at 300ish, when Eudoxus codified the Greek calendar based on the Babylonian one - but that clashes with the fact that Heracles's labors predate that by at least three centuries, and they've had those zodiacal themes since that lost epic poem was initially written. We know, therefore, that the babylonian zodiac entered greece between Homer's time (when he conspicuously didn't mention them - and neither did Hesiod in his Astronomia) and Peisander's time (author of the lost Heracleia), basically the interval between 800 and 600 CE. The phoenician traders carrying that info is a reasonable assumption, especially considering how important the stars are to sailors navigating at night. But it is WILD to me how hard this is to research and how nobody seems to have really explored the timeline here!
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  • Wait… so galaxy basically means Kombi jumbo mommy milkers?

    Zir JaegerZir JaegerAcum 11 ore
  • Every celestial spirit mage from the fairy tailverse:ah yes the celestial spirits of the gold keys get a documentary.

    Rhey Ohriele GoRhey Ohriele GoAcum o Zi
  • I started with your trope talks randomly popping up because youtube is a broken clock, but Im certainly going to consume all the mythelaneus videos as well. You do something in the myths i absolutely love, speculating (or directly following) the changing and origins of myth; the dyanysus vid and the small flooding with relation to constilation and snowcaps melting has me a captive audiencd waiting for more

    Alex CampbellAlex CampbellAcum o Zi
  • My favorite constellation, the bees

    PixelmacePixelmaceAcum o Zi
  • For Greek Capricorn, and I don't know how sourced this is, comes right from Rick Riordan, but he almost always gets the same things as you do, but anyway, Capricorn was supposedly supposed to represent a minor satyr god called aegipan and he turned into a goat fish to hide from typhoeud

    Evan RhomanEvan RhomanAcum o Zi
    • Typhoeus not typhouead

      Evan RhomanEvan RhomanAcum o Zi
  • I have a ? Who is the oldest goddess of destruction

    Joshua MooreJoshua MooreAcum 2 Zile
  • I am aquarius

    Anton IssaAnton IssaAcum 2 Zile
  • i frocking love being a taurus

    Flora AlexandraFlora AlexandraAcum 2 Zile
  • So, people invented constellations for helping with navigation at night while sailing and the stories help us remember them. On top of that, many myths have explanations for weird natural phenomenon, but also incidentally tell an important moral or cultural lesson. So, how many myths do you think are just straight up made up by people who KNEW they were making them up for this very purpose, but we told them all so long and so many times that we forgot that somebody made them up and started believing them?

    cheezemonkeyeatercheezemonkeyeaterAcum 2 Zile
  • My favorite jelly doughnuts are filled with umeboshi.

    Linoleum FleurLinoleum FleurAcum 3 Zile
  • The jelly donut line 😂 I always did wonder what the hell was up with that, although I had already accepted a LOT in American dubbed anime’s after the “c o u s i n s” in Sailor Moon

    Chelsea WhiteChelsea WhiteAcum 3 Zile
  • Jesus loves you

    free headdfree headdAcum 4 Zile

    Mister GriffinMister GriffinAcum 4 Zile
  • Any chance of doing the Chinese zodiac? Ahem fruits basket! Also, I'm an aquarius and I always wondered why it was a pitcher. Jelly donuts and Onigiri differ, but LOCALIZATION.

    Lina PonceLina PonceAcum 4 Zile
  • 0:43 This sounds like something I would do.

    Marius TanMarius TanAcum 4 Zile
  • Dont sorry red I got lost in Walmart after getting my first pair of glasses...I was 19 I had to have the front call my mom because she had my purses..with my phone...I'm not the brightest star in the sky.

    Alley Cat :3Alley Cat :3Acum 5 Zile
  • Has anyone ever pointed out that cuneiform looks like mid-century modern art?

    Tasanee CampbellTasanee CampbellAcum 5 Zile
  • that sea goat interlude was so amazing

    nick halmannick halmanAcum 5 Zile
  • As a Capricorn, that time traveling goatfish is a no-no

    Athena Alysanne GreyAthena Alysanne GreyAcum 6 Zile
  • Best phrase in this video: "the infamous boob myth" or "Where's the time-travelling goat-fish?!"?

    KyleRayner12KyleRayner12Acum 6 Zile
  • Baby red is so fricking adorable

    Nicole MasseyNicole MasseyAcum 6 Zile
  • Good to see another person who loves the stars but not astrology!

    Heather MHeather MAcum 6 Zile
    • like... every astronomy fan? xD


    LittleSpellLittleSpellAcum 6 Zile
  • Wonder what sign the creator of the zodiac had. Zodiac: "This is Sagittarius. He's a centaur, and he's got a bow, but he's also got a scorpion tail, wings, and a second head." "Oh and there's also this goat fish."

    Dawson GlaweDawson GlaweAcum 6 Zile
  • according to a brief search I just did a Cupbearer was a High-ranking officer whose duty was to pour and serve drinks to the royal court. Only Highly trustworthy individuals were allowed this honor. BUT I could easily see how you would come to that conclusion. since they were there to make sure no one got Caught Off guard by a Poisonous Plot after their lives. and last I checked gods don't really die? so yeah...

    Gami The MightyGami The MightyAcum 7 Zile
  • Why did they try to make up a goat fish when they could have just bullshitted it as the cowfish thinh

    Yeontan's SugaDaddyYeontan's SugaDaddyAcum 7 Zile
  • This just makes me even angrier that Aquarius is an air sign

    Yeontan's SugaDaddyYeontan's SugaDaddyAcum 7 Zile
  • Well, if there isn't a time-traveling goat-fish, there should be. Get on it, Dr. Who.

    Kirsten CorbyKirsten CorbyAcum 7 Zile
  • Now that I watched Critical Role I can never listen to the outro song the same way again. Thanks Scanlan.

    lieutenant lettucelieutenant lettuceAcum 7 Zile
  • Any chance we'll see the Chinese zodiac on Miscellaneous Myths? Or the Vedic interpretation?

    NinjaGidgetNinjaGidgetAcum 7 Zile
  • This came out the day before my birthday.

    Lydia HansenLydia HansenAcum 7 Zile
  • See, I always thought that Capricorn was supposed to be the Cornucopia... Shows how much I know about the Zodiac!

    DomesthenesDomesthenesAcum 7 Zile
  • The time traveling goat fish went back in time to destroy any primary records of the time traveling goat fish.

    Jacob WermanJacob WermanAcum 8 Zile
  • I disagree with Red on a lot of things, but one thing we agree on is that stargazing is AWESOME. There's something so...human about it. It also doesn't hurt that my favorite scenes from Night in the Woods and To the Moon both involve stargazing.

    Jekyllstein GrayJekyllstein GrayAcum 8 Zile
  • my aquarius friend complaining: why is aquarius a dam water pitcher what's that supposed to mean?? me: the same reason i called a rice ball a jelly donut all my life

    Bimbita ShaikhBimbita ShaikhAcum 9 Zile
  • 9:43 *coughs* Virgo perhaps

    Beningn WeaselBeningn WeaselAcum 10 Zile
  • screw your zodiac sign, what is your C E L E S T I A L F O R T U N E (this is a my singing monsters reference btw)

    Drayton McCutcheonDrayton McCutcheonAcum 10 Zile
  • thats why when i moved to the country the first thing I got was a telescope : )

    HooliGanHooliGanAcum 10 Zile
  • Such a Gemini thing to say. “I will cut you” 😂🤣😉🤣

    Kyle FulghamKyle FulghamAcum 10 Zile
  • this makes a lot more sense than what I thought Capricorn was

    Coop TheDragonCoop TheDragonAcum 11 Zile
  • I heard the witcher 3 soundtrack!

    The NeelayThe NeelayAcum 11 Zile
  • This isnt really about astrology but um... Red in this video is the background music from Journey? I feel like I know this song. Specially 4:12 and at 5:28

    Jae GibsonJae GibsonAcum 12 Zile
  • ... so we gonna talk about Gilgamesh or...?

    Renato CorvaroRenato CorvaroAcum 12 Zile
  • I really like this video. Every few months i find myself rewatching it

    nada nsirinada nsiriAcum 12 Zile
  • I'll be honest, I was taught that the (now known as Babylonian, Scorpio and friends) Zodiac was Chinese. I had no idea it's origins were Babylonian. That said, I kinda prefer it being Babylonian. No real reason, I just like Babylon.

    Sh4dowWalker96Sh4dowWalker96Acum 13 Zile
  • What if Virgo is hestia?

    ThatWeirdBean EditsThatWeirdBean EditsAcum 14 Zile
    • More likely to be Demeter...I don't remember Hestia being a fertility goddess.

      Rebecca ForshawRebecca ForshawAcum 9 Zile
  • 5:12 even constellations keep turning into crabs

    jesus morajesus moraAcum 14 Zile
  • Red's Therapist: The time traveling goat man doesn't exist... Astrology websites:

    DoubleEdgeCatDoubleEdgeCatAcum 15 Zile
  • I just wanna know what's the youthanism I don't understand it and I'm afraid to look it up

    ender_the tired_shepherdender_the tired_shepherdAcum 16 Zile
    • From everything I could find, there is no euphemism. Ganymede was taken because of his beauty to serve the Olympians as a literal cup bearer. He served the gods wine after Hebe married Heracles. They just like really pretty people.

      Rebecca ForshawRebecca ForshawAcum 15 Zile
  • "Cup bearer"? Wait but this one just brings me my drinks, what the Hell was Zeus... Wait. Its Ancient Greece and its Zeus. I need a drink and a rosary.

    The KingThe KingAcum 16 Zile
  • So there is a timelord mergoat? Uh, that do sound like it comes from an old "Doctor Who" episode or possibly fan fic about the Doctor. It does not sound Greek at all, most mythologies stay far away from time travel. There are a few exceptions like Tuatha de Daanan seems to screw with time now and then but mergoats seems too strange even for them. I blame late 60s-early 70s and LSD.

    Loke 666Loke 666Acum 17 Zile
  • "Same reason Pokemon told me this was a jelly donut"!? (Dies of laughter) (But not really) (Laughing hysterically)

    Night StarNight StarAcum 17 Zile
  • Is this a homestuck reference?

    Daisy the ClownDaisy the ClownAcum 17 Zile
  • I think that Capricorn was supposed to be a hippocampus, and that since it was a failed attempt by Poseidon, it was trapped and immortalized in the stars, so Poseidon could never forget the mistake he made, you know never make the same mistake twice and all that jazz. And the part of the brain that makes memories is called the hippocampus because Poseidon didn’t want mortals to forget it either

    thatonegaylemonthatonegaylemonAcum 18 Zile
  • 7:59 thats my nickname haha

    Tungsten TuxedoTungsten TuxedoAcum 18 Zile
  • 5:58 The mark of a well versed scholar is the ability to weave in the amazing works of George Washington Carver while talking about the myths of the freaking Zodiac. I bow to your skill and tip my hat at you! Well played.

    Morgan BassMorgan BassAcum 18 Zile
  • ,,watch out for the brooding figures out in the open they are up to no good" I knew it the most evil kind of thinker... philosophers!!

    L3 K0L3 K0Acum 19 Zile
  • Wouldn’t the loyal Shepard be involved with Ishtars good hubby who loved her even though she didn’t like him?

    Lexie PalmerLexie PalmerAcum 20 Zile
  • Astronomy on the other hand is awesome

    carso1500carso1500Acum 20 Zile
  • Ik I'm rather late but is it just me or does the "two fish tied together by a string" kinda look like a uterus? Idk maybe I'm just overthinking the vague Aphrodite symbolism.

    Random PotatoRandom PotatoAcum 22 Zile
  • 4:39 that is not a scimitar that is a deformed hexagon, that is a closed shape, not a line, constallation creators get it together people, that looks not even vaguely like a sword

    AlmightyIgneel 777AlmightyIgneel 777Acum 23 Zile
  • I personally prefer the Zodiac anime in Babylonian sub rather than Greek dub

    Barnacle ScumBarnacle ScumAcum 23 Zile
  • Red freaking out about the time traveling goatfish is hilarious

    Timber RoblesTimber RoblesAcum 23 Zile
  • Please talk about the Chinese zodiac that story is so fun

    Suzannah BishSuzannah BishAcum 23 Zile
  • I adore this channel but you really don't have to shit on astrology to make your point in the intro. I personally am not into it that much, but it's a very popular hobby with a large female basis, be kind to others interests even if they don't matter to you.

    OliveOliveAcum 24 Zile
  • If you want a primary source for the time traveling goat-fish, would you believe that I am a primary source because I am the time-traveling goat-fish? No? Worth a shot.

    cheezemonkeyeatercheezemonkeyeaterAcum 25 Zile
  • I hope this gets to you Red. Although someone might have already said it. What is Capricorn in Greek Zodiac is not a goat but a bull? So it would represent the bull-serpent Ophiotaurus. That would merge the goat-fish of Babylonians and the bull-serpent of Greeks to codify the constellation. That was my first thought when you started explaining Capricorn.

    Aaron ProctorAaron ProctorAcum 25 Zile
  • "Why is Aquarius a water bearer?" "Same reason Brock has scammed the Earth into believing sticky rice is just a jelly donut."

    Samuel ThackeraySamuel ThackerayAcum 25 Zile
  • I wouldn't be surprised if Capricorn actually originated as the Ophiotaurus. Some of the older illustrations of the Ophiotaurus makes it look like a goat.

    Izza BobizzaIzza BobizzaAcum 25 Zile
  • The Mares of Diomedes scene is funny, it just looks like a whole bunch of demon hyenas screaming "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

    Samuel ThackeraySamuel ThackerayAcum 25 Zile
  • Coyote 1 "Should we eat her...she's right there. She's been standing there for 20 mins" Coyote 2 "No...it doesn't feel right somehow" Coyote 1 "But...she's RIGHT there!!" Coyote 2 "Nah....I feel like she'll make a great ROlabel channel later" Coyote 1 "...Why do I take you with me on hunts again??"

    Lauren ErasLauren ErasAcum 26 Zile
  • What's the soundtrack at 13:07?

    Dante MaquiavelliDante MaquiavelliAcum 26 Zile
  • Please do the Chinese Zodiac video

    Arpit PatelArpit PatelAcum 27 Zile
  • I'm a Leo I hadn't watch this so yay for the surprise

    CerberusCerberusAcum 27 Zile
  • I literally use these videos as bedtime stories lol. I love this channel.

    Jae Edinger-VanAttaJae Edinger-VanAttaAcum 27 Zile
  • That goatfish fiasco is sadly common for mythology nerds like me who study little known ones, try researching Perchta for a book your working on and all you can find is two sources copying from a Wikipedia page, a million wft websites, and no reliable source for hours.

    Giganotosaur 314Giganotosaur 314Acum 27 Zile
  • Red:"i never believed much in astrology" someone:"wow that's such a gemini thing to sa-" Red:**SENDS THE DUDE TO ANOTHER DIMENSION VIA GEMINI SAGA'S ABILITY** glad that's taken care of

    Sarkeriel MarchangelSarkeriel MarchangelAcum 27 Zile
  • Ha....red you are so so wrong.

    David MartinDavid MartinAcum 27 Zile
  • Question why doas the goat have a fish tail and is not just represented as a goat lying down doing on it's knees? You know like Aries? Why can't Capricorn be like that?

    David MartinDavid MartinAcum 27 Zile
  • came here after watching sarah z's homestuck video

    Apolo Trevent IV.5Apolo Trevent IV.5Acum 27 Zile
  • Love the constellations and all, but, *is that Journey OST I hear in the background?* Sounds like it, at least.

    ccdonutsccdonutsAcum 28 Zile
  • Does anyone else watch this at .75 speed??

    Trinity SargentTrinity SargentAcum 28 Zile
  • Is anyone else thinking animorphs looking at Sagittarius original design?

    Andre JacksonAndre JacksonAcum 28 Zile
    • Oh good, someone else saw an Andalite there!

      GhostBear3067GhostBear3067Acum 22 Zile
  • I need to know the origin of that fake Seagoat Myth.

    Arempy 58Arempy 58Acum 28 Zile
  • This may sound so odd but I hope every “theory” red thinks of gets looked into so much that they become myth. She deffo earned that.

    Terra_NoxTerra_NoxAcum 28 Zile
  • Yup..yup..that time travel thing drove me nuts too.

    Bob CharlieBob CharlieAcum 28 Zile
  • Wow after watching this i have figured out who the zodiac killer was

    DojahDojahAcum 29 Zile
  • Astrology is utter bull crap.... but all Tauri (more than one taurus) say that.

    AsmodeusAsmodeusAcum 29 Zile
    • I was thinking of an entirely different Tau'ri...

      GhostBear3067GhostBear3067Acum 21 o Zi
  • Funny enough I got a add for astrology on this video

    Alex AhlersAlex AhlersAcum 29 Zile
  • I recall reading once that Ophiuchus was 1 of the signs at one point in time but with the onset of the 12 month calendar it was dropped to make things better fit.

    jwb083jwb083Acum 29 Zile
  • Tis I a timetraveling goat fish

    bluewater dragon02bluewater dragon02Acum lună
  • not to go full astrology here but its kinda weird that i use Ganymede as a screen name and variations of it and im Aquarius. no knowledge of that relation at all. s p o o k y

    Ted LucasTed LucasAcum lună
  • Damn, that horoscope was spot-on!

    mortimermcmirestinksmortimermcmirestinksAcum lună

    GhostBlazerXGhostBlazerXAcum lună
  • I KNEW IT!! That brooding figure was just.. so brooding!!!

    Shy GaladrielShy GaladrielAcum lună
  • What does this word science mean? Study of something? Might be no science by choice. Lol, God concept. Astrology creates astronomy and the children down the line think they were spending all their time staring at shiny stars and that gave some purpose to write a book about fantasy. Sure, that makes sense. We tend to value nonsense. Well, many do but if you know this stuff, you might be a decendent. If you don't, it's shiny dots. I'm not the one to decide who you are and not the one who knows why you say what you say. I want to add, I come off negative but I absolutely love your work on here and I appreciate all your work. Keep it up and may you find abundance. ♥️

    Ryan WaltersRyan WaltersAcum lună
  • We got so much red lore from this video

    Nyama LenaNyama LenaAcum lună
  • And no one was cramming anything into someone else's stories. They were telling their own stories, we are dumbasses because we don't know what those stories in stars and stone are. They're our futures. Each and everyone of us. This is the game of thrones. Or life. Get some living done and tell your own tales. Be warned, it's a no pain no gain. With beauty came much flooding.

    Ryan WaltersRyan WaltersAcum lună
  • Can't cram two or three civilizations telling of their own knowledge of experience because they reference the map in the sky. That map is a bunch of dots. As times change and cultures change, so will each culture tell it's story in a way it's people will comprehend and recognize themselves and the future people, us, will be able to draw our conclusions from our experiences. To be honest, it leaves one feeling a personal and very close connection to its own childhood idols. Me, I've always been a philosopher since I could read. Sometimes it feels like we are riding chariots and rubbing elbows in the very same circus. Give me something more beautiful and valuable. Seeking truth in someone else's words is an illusion and you might miss the point. It can only be found on the track and field, never from a book.

    Ryan WaltersRyan WaltersAcum lună
  • I love the goatfish. The Merman, the Mariner, he/she represents the outcome, goat or fish leaves one half of the potential achieved. A goat can't swim, a fish can't walk. Integration is the unification of the opposites. It's also the symbol of each IDs personal experience as to what all this means to them. Hence, why you don't need sources with names, if you are the source of the understanding. Who gets to reference themselves? Maybe I'll give myself a pen. And and make it sound official or I'll just claim I found Ptolemy's lost manuscript and claim he's the source being all reliable with a name like that. My name doesn't carry the "authority" the Lehman requires when lacking the knowledge for himself. Who doesn't love zodiac wheels a d stories. As kids we don't question why when we sit down to watch a movie or read a story, we naturally identify ourselves with the hero. As if we know what a hero's qualities are at birth and forget as soon as we get injured. Then we don't realize we are no longer the hero, we are the water bearer. Do we flood the world with tears? Or did we transform the years, into rain falling on crops. Crops produce fruit, sustenance. Maybe I could make my own videos. Or partner up. But I know this all just from experience and recognition of the experiences in each signs stories. One must know the words completely, start by learning letters. Will not be understood overnight or without the experience, allowing one to know. Knowing only comes from ones own journey. If you weren't there, no matter what name brings your a story, it's always belief. Belief is like buying fake Jordans. Shoes on the feet, lacks the value. Money isn't value it is paper. Won't last much longer than us. But gold, that's virgin pure for forever.

    Ryan WaltersRyan WaltersAcum lună